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Racing Games and Clutch Pedals

Published on Nov 6, 2018 255,407 views

Which game implemented better the clutch?
Let's find out...

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  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад (изменено) What? "Drown" the car? Nooo...it's because it cannot produce enough torque to get the car moving without increased fuel/air/rpms. You can easily do this with v8 and Diesel engines. This is actually taught in most performance driving schools. You are releasing the clutch too fast if you cannot do this on flat ground.
  • 7000mac
    7000mac 6 месяцев назад I thought the same. if you release the clutch slowly the car should move, shouldnt?
  • Skynoff
    Skynoff 6 месяцев назад @7000mac It does move. You don't really have to push the throttle while releasing the clutch to get rolling, however it makes you roll quicker. If you just release the clutch slowly you'll move anyway
  • Mach-77
    Mach-77 6 месяцев назад @Skynoff and that thing isn't even simulated in assetto corsa or PC2. it is kinda simulated in iRacing, tho. but AC is the biggest joke about that. stop the car on an inclined road. like the corkscrew. but really, STOP the car. and then, release the brake. your car won't even move. now, put it in gear and slowly release the clutch to the biting point. the car will just "stall". biggest joke from AC
  • Skynoff
    Skynoff 6 месяцев назад @Mach-77 Yup hahaa I find that unpleasent aswell. You'll always have to push the throttle to start rolling in AC.
  • Miscu
    Miscu 6 месяцев назад @Skynoff it depends with thr car. For exaple, the clutch of the miura engages much more gently that a 312t one, and that's totally realistic: performance car have a very sensitive and small engaging point in order to make clutch loose less time on shifts and be much faster. Anyways, the fact that in ac slopes aren't considered when you're standing still is quite annoying (even if it doesn't change much when you're racing tho...)
  • Joe CHAHINE
    Joe CHAHINE 6 месяцев назад @Miscu true that it depends on the car and the minimum RPM set (we call it avance ) example in driving school they tend to have the minimum RPM 1500 or more so that is u release the clutch without enough gas it won't turn off, it will use more fuel though. But some race cars have instant clutch more than an analogue one almost act like a click instead of a gradual link. (but i don't have much experience in this area so I won't pretend to know more)
  • youkofoxy
    youkofoxy 6 месяцев назад Truth, I did "launched" a VW Voyage alchool without pressing the accelerator. But i do think it had some clutch slip.. i don't know. Even my father has like "You are doing it wrong son" I was like "Trust me, i got a plan" The the car move and his was like "hum?"
  • Vincent Desseyn
    Vincent Desseyn 6 месяцев назад What every single game gets wrong is that even if you release the clutch as fast as you can, the car should jolt forward like irl, but every single one of them just kills the engine without moving the car a nanometer. Also released the clutch slowly should move the car a little or in the case of engines that have lots of torque at low rpm (high capacity NA V8's(/V10 from viper ;)) and diesels can set easily like this), however every game that I know (that doesn't autoclutch) doesn't simulate any of the above.
  • Yung Spirit
    Yung Spirit 6 месяцев назад @Mach-77 It's probably due to trying to make good launching physics but it still sucks, shouldn't encounter it while actually playing tho
  • Mach-77
    Mach-77 6 месяцев назад @Vincent Desseyn then you didn't try rFactor 2, iRacing and Project CARS 2. those 3 simulates the biting point. PC2 and rF2 even makes the car jolt a bit forward when you release the clutch with no brakes applied
  • Vincent Desseyn
    Vincent Desseyn 6 месяцев назад @Mach-77 I don't own Rf2 since I don't have a decent pc, but good to know that there's at least one sim that gets it right. Thx for letting me know.
  • sergio hernandez
    sergio hernandez 6 месяцев назад I can start a roll on my integra, granted I have to release the clutch retty slow
  • Camera Fly
    Camera Fly 6 месяцев назад https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU8-Cp2wBrY
  • TheInstrumentalism 552
    TheInstrumentalism 552 6 месяцев назад not with extremely low torque cars. #experience
  • butaa.
    butaa. 6 месяцев назад i can get moving without the gas pedal in my 1.3 suzuki, you don't need a v8 for that
  • TheInstrumentalism 552
    TheInstrumentalism 552 6 месяцев назад @butaa. The difference is that you are the drift king
  • Jay Gamer
    Jay Gamer 6 месяцев назад @butaa. No manual car needs gas to start moving. Only if you're not trying to roll at snails speed you gotta use the gas.
  • Tr0y Boi
    Tr0y Boi 6 месяцев назад (изменено) Hm, it is easy to start move on a V8 or Diesel only because it is also easy to start move on any engine, excluding soviet russian cars xD For example, in my driving school I moved uphill on a 70hp fabia without opening throttle(10 degrees angle), only clutch. Should I say that on a flat ground it is much more easier?
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @Tr0y Boi I did say flat ground. Honestly, I have never had an issue. Many videos from Europe state their small petrol cats have issues. I can understand low tq cars having a problem. You might consider your experience is limited...to your experience. What others have said should not be seen as a lie unless you have the same experience with a different outcome.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад Not drown, but actually 'kill' the enginebut suddenlly putting too much "weight" on it.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @Eduardo Avila The engine can't make enough torque at idle to move the drivetrain with the wheels on the ground...which is absolutely related to weight. Which is what I said.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад falchulk Yes exactly, but tecnically it stalls the engine, and in some more older engines i guess it could lead to drowning too, as the gas would be pumped but not burned when the engine dont have the speed to do the turn enough for continue running. I just made an additon to the comment, i didnt disagree
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @Eduardo Avila Older engines used mechanical fuel pumps. If the engine stopped due to stalling, it did not flood the engine.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад @falchulk But by the fact that their fuel distribution wasnt so precise, it could lead to that issue.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @Eduardo Avila Nah. In order to create that condition, you has to crank the engine over and over without it firing.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад (изменено) ​@falchulk In a situation where the mistake happens like 2 times in a row, and the carburator isnt really well adjusted, it could happen. I recall that happening with my cousing when he tried to learn to drive my grandfather's old vw beetle. Possibly then it could have not been adjusted well, and in a certain time, maybe it wasnt too well, but it didnt see to run badly, nor have a bad fuel consumption.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @Eduardo Avila Again, that's 2 different issues.
  • T M S
    T M S 5 месяцев назад @7000mac Also when starting without releasing the clutch, the car should move because of the starter. I once forgot to shift into neutral and almost rear ended the car in front of me.
  • Bill Bezos
    Bill Bezos 5 месяцев назад Imma comment same thing
  • TooManyChoices1
    TooManyChoices1 5 месяцев назад Skynoff Unless your car has zero torque it will go with just a slow clutch release... If it is a weak or torque-less engine it will need some help from the gas pedal to not “bog”...
  • TooManyChoices1
    TooManyChoices1 5 месяцев назад butaa. Nope but you do need torque. If the engine has no torque off idle then it’s dead without some throttle input.
  • bubberlad
    bubberlad 5 месяцев назад Not just performance schools, most driving schools teach this. Where I live you are first tought to drive only with the clutch and then you move on to the actual gas pedal. I cannot fathom how terrible driving a manual in traffic would be if you had to bolt off with the gas pedal everytime you wanted to lift off.
  • Skids
    Skids 4 месяца назад He also considered heel toe pressing the clutch and then dropping it with out going down a gear or pressing the brake at the same time. Clearly doesnt know much of what hes talking about
  • Gen PS3
    Gen PS3 3 месяца назад Mach-77 i can move the car in pc2 without pushing the throttle
  • Frank Gutmann
    Frank Gutmann 6 месяцев назад In fact all Manual Transmissions can be shifted without clutch. Up and down. It does not hurt if done correctly. Similar to quickshifter or blipper on bikes. The magic lies within synchronized gears.
  • treerexaudi Official
    treerexaudi Official 6 месяцев назад Heel toe
  • Jamiedh303
    Jamiedh303 6 месяцев назад This is correct, but is usually achieved at low revs at a fairly low, constant speed - but Frank is 100% it can be done.
  • Rostislav Kocev
    Rostislav Kocev 6 месяцев назад Exactly what I want to say.
  • Jonah Beale
    Jonah Beale 6 месяцев назад It CAN be done, but the risk of missing a shift or damaging the transmission is way too high to be worth it in a racing scenario.
  • viperconcept
    viperconcept 6 месяцев назад Frank, what you say is true, but I challenge you to do that while racing. :P
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад Funny how this appears over and over...from guys that would never do it in their own cars.
  • anto31ad
    anto31ad 6 месяцев назад Even assetto corsa allows you to do it at low RPMs. I randomly discovered it while driving the AE86 recently, since I've just bought the th8a. That felt strange, though is technically correct.
  • McFreshfleisch
    McFreshfleisch 6 месяцев назад @falchulk I did it in my car already.. My dad told me this and I didn't believe a single word.. Then I shifted from 3rd to 4th and from 4th to 5th without pressing the clutch lol.. It's possible, you just have to match the engine rpm with the transmission rpm :D
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @McFreshfleisch Of course it's possible. Only an idiot does it.
  • XtremeCampSauceX
    XtremeCampSauceX 6 месяцев назад Clutchless shifting is often done in rallying as you are braking more with your left foot than your right. But you don't need to be a rally driver to shift clutch less 😂 petrol cars are slightly easier to shift without clutch than diesels, at least VAGs and Volvos. With synchronized gears you actually have the synchromesh helping you in process. And the key to shift is, I would say, to be gentle with the stick. Forcing it in a gear at wrong revs will produce a lot of noise, but sliding it gently won't produce any at right revs. I don't encourage you to do it, tho 😂😂 Yes, it does bring smile on your face when done properly 😂
  • XtremeCampSauceX
    XtremeCampSauceX 6 месяцев назад @falchulk calling the whole rally scene idiots might be seen as mischievous. 😂😂😂😂😂
  • aboriani
    aboriani 6 месяцев назад (изменено) @falchulk Only an idiot or a smart guy with a broken clutch line... You can even engage the first gear... on a flat road, idling press gently the gear lever into first position until you feel the synchronizer engaging. The car will start to move VEEERY slowly. Keep pushing gently and the gear will fall into position. Only do it in extreme cases, like with a broken clutch cable
  • dekoldrick
    dekoldrick 6 месяцев назад I had to shift without a clutch when my slave cylinder died. It was the first time I had to do it but I remember reading about how to do it correctly. Put that knowledge to use and spared the towing fee to get home and replace the slave cylinder.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @XtremeCampSauceX Rallying scene? Do you mean actual race teams with the money to replace parts after every race? I don't think that's what I meant...
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @dekoldrick If you say so. Me, I call for the tow. It's free service with insurance...and at least one of my credit cards. Cheaper than what might happen otherwise, even if I paid for it.
  • dekoldrick
    dekoldrick 6 месяцев назад (изменено) @falchulk Really wasn't much of a challenge on my car. It won't shift into a gear unless the transmission and engine speeds are synced and it's an older Honda. All there is to do is start the car in gear and go when it turns over, get the engine up to a decent rpm, take it out of gear and gently hold it towards the next, when everything's synchronized, it will slide into the next gear easily. If rushed, it will grind or won't go into gear at all.
  • XtremeCampSauceX
    XtremeCampSauceX 6 месяцев назад @falchulk That's just a selected few with benefits of "free repairs" 😂
  • kmpodonico3
    kmpodonico3 6 месяцев назад It is truee, came over here to say exaclty the same !
  • Bright Sky
    Bright Sky 6 месяцев назад I have driven big trucks for years .. my Pops taught me .. you can go in any gear as long as the Road SPEED matches the engine RPM .. . With two fingers she will go right in .. down shift release the gas to relax trans then move to neutral blip the gas to match engine rpm for next downward gear .. this technique is dangerous tho . .. because a big truck can runaway if you don't get the shift right away . . then you have limited brakes (air tanks or heat build up) to get the vehicle under control .. Big Fail on the test .. For racing its probably to slow in most situations. . . Great video BTW ..
  • som buddy
    som buddy 6 месяцев назад rev-matching
  • Jorge Del Rey
    Jorge Del Rey 6 месяцев назад That depends on the transmission design. For example my car (Citroen xsara picasso) doesn't allow you to move the shifter into neutral unless you press the clutch. It's not a race car but it is an example.
  • Seba203PL
    Seba203PL 6 месяцев назад @viperconcept to what you said in 1:27 . VW lt28 had so much torge that if you realeased the clutch it would't stall, btw this is't nitpicking. Oh and why dont you play Beamng.drive? Excluding no licenced cars (but they're based on real ones, there are also lots of mods) its as realistic as rfactor in or asseto corsa in terms of driving. If you ever wonder there are olso some cool tunning options, the most modifications has the ibishu 200bx probobly and its based on Nissan (or Datsun i cant remember when there name changed) 200sx. And its a full sised sandbox game with some cool maps. There is even top gear test track, search in the respository dunsfold, its bean well made, and it works with the newest ver. to, if you want some cool mods i can give you some
  • IMNOTA
    IMNOTA 6 месяцев назад Yep, as long as you get totally off throttle (for upshift) and shift pretty slowly, it'll work. for downshifts, you just gotta rev match really well.
  • CRAAACH Chanel
    CRAAACH Chanel 6 месяцев назад @falchulk In Poland, you have channel ,,Miłośnicy 4 kółek" who is saying about it and he actualy does it on his car. Poland stronk.
  • Norbert S.
    Norbert S. 6 месяцев назад In fact, there are some videos (even on YT), where people explain gear change without clutch, but as some of you've already said - except the situation of clutch failure, it's a waste of gearbox and during racing it's way too long to keep up with the pack. However in cold temperatures even changing gears with clutch is hard. I noticed it every time, when I drove my old Renault Laguna MkI PhII. In cold weather and cold engine first change from 1st to 2nd gear ended up with a little grind and to reduce gear I had to use rev-matching. Of course after a couple of minutes, when engine warms up, gear change was very smooth and without grinding :-). BTW @Jorge Del Rey check if you can change on neutral without clutch AND without pressing gas pedal - I've driven quite a lot of different vehicles and in most of them (including some Citroen cars) changing to neutral without clutch is possible, but only if you release gas (yeah I tested it in all of them, cause I was trying the quickshift technique, where you release the gas, drop to neutral, kick clutch and then throw higher gear...all in miliseconds XD)
  • J Dim
    J Dim 6 месяцев назад ​@XtremeCampSauceX also the feeling while driving is completatly different. I do it on my car very often since im good at it. Started practicing after i saw a taxi driver that was driving like that to save his clutch. If done correctly there is no harm to the gearbox at all and the ride is very smooth, but just a few forced miss shifts and you can say goodbye to your gearbox
  • Joe CHAHINE
    Joe CHAHINE 6 месяцев назад @viperconcept This is what i wanted to say, I once lost the clutch on a 1989Peugeot505 and kept driving by syncing the rev to the gears, it was easy between 2nd 3rd and 4th although to start i had to put it in 1st pump the clutch and hold turn it on and directly start moving, It is possible to also down-shift 4th to 3rd was the easiest... I don't recommend driving a lot this way though, but it got me home around 1Km. with some definitive screeching of gears when I didn't get it right :P Great video though. although about the 4th test usually it is pretty normal to move from any gear to N without issues so iRacing and GTsport should be the ones who implemented it best, although going into another gear will have to damage it especially without rev syncing. so again AC has the best implementation especially that these are race cars not a puny Peugeot :P I really like the clutch+H shifter although I am having so many difficulty learning the Heal Toe method even though I watched you tutorial, It's just that I can't try it in real life to get the real car feel since I drive a manual 2008 Kia Picanto yea Punier than the Peugeot no RW no power no dignity let's keep it there.
  • Joe CHAHINE
    Joe CHAHINE 6 месяцев назад @XtremeCampSauceX Experienced gentle slider everyone :P But you are quite right in so many situations
  • Joe CHAHINE
    Joe CHAHINE 6 месяцев назад @dekoldrick and they say foreplay is dead
  • Frank Gutmann
    Frank Gutmann 6 месяцев назад viperconcept Err, I'll pass on that one. I also see that it is pretty much impossible to simulate this correctly. There is just no force feedback on the H shifter, right? Just wanted to mention that shifting without clutch does not necessarily mean doing harm to your gearbox. I have actually seen the gears of gearboxes with broken synchronisation rings that were operated for another 250000 km unsynchronized. The don't look new, but better than you might think. Usually, there is no need to crap your pants if your shifting is not great. Whatever, I like your videos. Big thumbs up for your meme work 😂
  • youkofoxy
    youkofoxy 6 месяцев назад I have done that in a Toyota bandeirante. The poor thing had a bad master cylinder, So I had to shift without clutch. That plus the fact i barely drive something that behaves like a real car with a steering wheel... And you know that a poor transmission was crying out loud. Luckily my Dad is actually good with clutch less shifting. But he almost crashed the car trice because of the clutch bad hydraulics. So. It's possible, but better not to do it. P.S.: forget sub seconds shift if you do clutchless. It took almost 20 seconds for me, my dad takes about 2 seconds.
  • Vincent Desseyn
    Vincent Desseyn 6 месяцев назад @viperconcept You should experiment on AC, if you rev match properly you don't the clutch, just like in real life. I know because my has had a clutch go bad on him and had to drive it home (if you're wonderinghow he got going, he switched it off, put it in 1st and used the starter. I know you can gently push it into 1st, but he did it this way to prevent excessive wear on the synchromesh) P.s: before I had my driver's license, he used to show off in our old car that he could easily shift without ever touching the clutch :p
  • Sakuzwan
    Sakuzwan 6 месяцев назад @XtremeCampSauceX Rally cars have dog gears, not syncro. Dogs can take more beating.
  • zadtheinhaler
    zadtheinhaler 6 месяцев назад @falchulk My Dad taught me how to do it when I was a kid, and I've shifted without a clutch (save for 1st and reverse, naturally) for 30 years, with no harm to any of my cars and trucks.
  • zretil
    zretil 6 месяцев назад in a car like the audi 90 GTO its impossible to shift gears without the clutch, It's a synchro gearbox driving all four wheels and 700hp +
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @zadtheinhaler You are seriously telling me for 30 years you have done something that has no benefit? Something that is harder, slower, and risky? For no upside? Hmm, so you are agreeing with me then?
  • RAioD Edilan
    RAioD Edilan 6 месяцев назад (изменено) Those are call dog boxes, racing touring car all around the world used them around the 80' and 90'. And with one of those in fact you don't want to use at all the clutch because you need to shift really fast and aggressive to keep it in one piece. Street transmission in other hand you want to wait for the sincros to match speed and the chances of miss shifting are really high, it can be done but they were not made for that use like the dog boxes were.
  • zadtheinhaler
    zadtheinhaler 6 месяцев назад @falchulk not in the slightest. My mom drove her 91 Escort like that for over 20 years on the same clutch, and only had to change the brakes once. Give over already.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @zadtheinhaler Honestly, I was giving you a hard time . Drinking a synchro transmission without the clutch is idiotic. No matter who does it or for how long.
  • zadtheinhaler
    zadtheinhaler 6 месяцев назад @falchulk can you back that up? And check your spelling, unless you've found a way to blend car parts to drink them...
  • Zombie Head
    Zombie Head 6 месяцев назад Good luck doing that on normal transmission on the road or track, which is what 99.9% of what all cars have from the factory. I would love to test your theory on YOUR car, and i will have you sign a waiver stating i am not responsible for any fees, then you get the bill and i walk away....
  • Szymon Solecki
    Szymon Solecki 6 месяцев назад @viperconcept https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdWSyrqEnE4 Actually it is done while racing :D
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @zadtheinhaler Explain what you want backed up? Looks like you are grasping here.
  • zadtheinhaler
    zadtheinhaler 6 месяцев назад @falchulk your assertions that it's slower, that it has no benefits, and that it is injurious to transmissions is spurious.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 6 месяцев назад @zadtheinhaler It is slower. It has to be done precisely. I did not say it injured anything. The risk of injury is there if a slight mistake is made too many times. Let me flip it back...again...how is it better? What are the benefits?
  • manuel
    manuel 6 месяцев назад @XtremeCampSauceX wtf u talking about atleast wrc cars have sequentical gearbox
  • BOT Annique
    BOT Annique 6 месяцев назад ​@Jorge Del Rey i had an citroen xsara wagon, 1.9D (the worst engine) and it was working in every gear, upshift and downshift, Sometimes it's doesn't pass, but if you're careful and do it properly it work. It also work with my mondeo 2 2L TDDI (Also the worst engine, but better than the citroen's 1.9D)
  • razorheadd
    razorheadd 6 месяцев назад (изменено) @viperconcept actually, a lot of racers do it, especially motorcycle racers like motogp, they use the clutch only for reducing ("heel and toe") and for starting, upshifts are all done directly without clutch, but your point is correct, with the exception of motogp, most racing categories wouldn't benefit much from it, especially if you get fired from your team because you can't press the clutch and break the transmission lol
  • Camera Fly
    Camera Fly 6 месяцев назад https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU8-Cp2wBrY
  • rickyGman11
    rickyGman11 6 месяцев назад @XtremeCampSauceX Aren't rally cars equipped with a dogbox transmission? So the clutch pedal is only used for first gear to get the car moving. Also when handbreak turning and etc to unmate the engine from the transmission. Other than that they shift without pressing the clutch.
  • Miguel M Silva
    Miguel M Silva 6 месяцев назад @rickyGman11 bikes and most rally cars have sequential gearboxes, which allow you to upshift by just letting off the throttle and quickly shfting to the next gear.
  • Jack miller
    Jack miller 6 месяцев назад Jorge Del Rey depends if there is load on the transmission, you will struggle to take it out of gear while accelerating but as soon as you back off it will pop out if you hold pressure on it, try it but be gental
  • ConnorFX
    ConnorFX 6 месяцев назад Exactly, that method is called "floating gears" and most semi-truck drivers do this and in some cases they have to float gears to shift.
  • Andre S.
    Andre S. 6 месяцев назад @anto31ad it feels so satisfying when you actually do that sucessful
  • anto31ad
    anto31ad 6 месяцев назад (изменено) @Andre S. Well... I forgot to mention that when i found that out I was in the pitlane going at about 20-50 kph lol. But I didn't dare mastering that at higher speeds.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад Kinda, but is a real risk
  • YouTube Addict
    YouTube Addict 6 месяцев назад falchulk I do it in my car when I don’t feel like using the clutch. I can upshift and downshift without using it. Just need it to launch. My car is an 82 Toyota and runs just fine like that.
  • Eduardo Avila
    Eduardo Avila 6 месяцев назад YouTube Addict The wear is surelly higher in the gears than it would be using the clutch tho. Not that this will totally kill the car, its way more likelly that the engine dies first anyway.
  • Bjorgolf
    Bjorgolf 6 месяцев назад @falchulk i done a lot on my car, never had any trouble
  • YouTube Addict
    YouTube Addict 6 месяцев назад Eduardo Avila it just slips right into gear. I’m guessing it’s the type of gears used. It never grinds going in. So I highly doubt I’m damaging it
  • davyc412
    davyc412 5 месяцев назад @Jonah Beale unless there is clutch damage. Seen enough 24 hour races where the driver is forced to drive clutchless because of clutch failure. Then have to get push started back out of the pits.
  • Käikkönen
    Käikkönen 5 месяцев назад Does not hurt the gearbox is completely wrong. Even a shift with clutch hurts the gears due to the wear. Nut you can say, that it does not hurt that much, as many people think.
  • Will D
    Will D 5 месяцев назад @viperconcept If you did it while racing/fast aggressive driving or just normal driving you would have to wait for the engine RPMs to slow before you can go into gear just like it did in iRacing. Over here in the state its sometimes called floating gears and its a good skill to learn since most manual cars here are +20 years old and very possible to lose a clutch line or cable. :P Ps just a side note the point of the video was if this stuff was simulated not if was efficient to do so while racing
  • Will D
    Will D 5 месяцев назад @falchulk I do this in my car from time to time when cruising and being lazy. It sounds like you heard of this to be true but never tried it yourself, you should try it its a good skill to have
  • TooManyChoices1
    TooManyChoices1 5 месяцев назад Frank Gutmann But you’ll eat the synchro gears ⚙️ faster and it won’t be a smooth comfortable shift either. On a race car in a race, who cares? It’s jus going to be rebuilt anyway... But on your daily 🤑🤕🥴!
  • TooManyChoices1
    TooManyChoices1 5 месяцев назад Frank Gutmann Best part of driving stick is when you lift off the gas and the stick just slides out of gear before you hit the clutch, and then use the clutch for the upshift and then gas away !! That window when you’re off the throttle and the car will allow a no clutch move to neutral is magical 🤤!
  • falchulk
    falchulk 5 месяцев назад @Will D It's not that I have heard it to be true. It's mechanically possible and that's not disputed. It's just too easy to screw up for no gain. It's not a recommended practice, it carries risk, it's not faster, etc. Why do it?
  • VoidSixx
    VoidSixx 5 месяцев назад @falchulk I've done it in my car plenty of times. The Freelander we have at work has it's clutch on the way out and starting to slip, so I have to do it with that, too. Just because you fucked up and can't do it, doesn't mean nobody else does it. FYI, professional truckers do it exclusively when driving; the clutch is only used to pull away.
  • falchulk
    falchulk 5 месяцев назад (изменено) @VoidSixx Brother, not going to rehash this. It's all here in the comments already. I didn't fuck anything up... because I don't do it. A synchro transmission is not meant to do this. It offers no benefit. Doing it on a day to day basis makes no sense. Look into different types of manual transmissions and learn why it makes sense on some. There a lot of stupid things for you to do in life. I encourage you to find them all.